March 15, 2007
Obama: H'Sexuality Not Immoral Either
Sen. Barack Obama, through a campaign spokesman:
"“As the New York Times reported today, I do not agree with General Pace that homosexuality is immoral. Attempts to divide people like this have consumed too much of our politics over the past six years.”
Posted at 03:24 PM
Comments
Barack .. another Dem who is at odds with Jesus Christ. Are there any morally accurate Dems in the house.
:)
Bob | 03.15.07 03:52 PM
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It is good to know where Senator Obama stands on the morality of the practice of homosexuality.
eddie | 03.15.07 04:07 PM
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H'Sexuality is one of the more interesting contractions I've ever seen.
DaveA | 03.15.07 04:54 PM
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Here's hoping America does NOT become an "Obama-nation" before God.
Adam | 03.15.07 05:16 PM
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Then what isn't moral??
Ivan | 03.15.07 05:16 PM
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erm, tell me, just what did Jesus say about gay people?
i'll give you a hint: nothing.
i'll give you another hint: the bible says nothing about contemporary gay relationships. love is love is love. get over your obsessions with gay sex and realize that gay sex is a physical manifestation of the same love that heterosexuals feel for one another. homosexuality and heterosexuality are exactly the same thing, with one difference.
but continue to find different groups to hate. i know it's much easier to hate people and squeal like 5th graders about things being "gross!" but, one day, you'll grow up, and God will forgive your hateful, judgemental, insecure ways.
irvine | 03.15.07 05:25 PM
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Yes, well you straight folk good Christians have done a great job with marraiges and families, 50 % of you are divorced, husbands leaving wife's for younger girls, sex out of wedlock, teenagers getting pregnant, living together with no commitment. Way to go!!
Peter | 03.15.07 05:32 PM
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I consider myself to lean towards the more conservative. However, I find it interesting that someone wrote that Barack is another Dem at odds with Jesus Christ regarding homosexuality. What, exactly, did Jesus say about homosexuality? I'd be interested to hear.
Lance | 03.15.07 05:39 PM
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Obama is not at odds with Jesus as suggested in one comment. Jesus never said a word about homosexuality. Jesus preached tolerance, and if you can not practice tolerance then you need to go back to Church and pray for forgiveness. He who judges shall be judged. Think about it. Jesus came here to save us,
not judge homosexuals. You should focus on your own soul before you lose it.
Tim | 03.15.07 05:40 PM
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What is the definition of immoral please? What is the definition via Hillary and Obama. Please give me a definition?
P. Dorr | 03.15.07 05:49 PM
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Good for Obama. But, why didn't you say that the first time you were asked. My respect for you went down when you wouldn't answer that simple question. And it hasn't gone back up to the level it was before.
On the next issue, don't dodge ... just tell it like it is.
Obama in 2008!!
ericvfsu | 03.15.07 06:00 PM
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Why do you guys care who someone has sex with? Does it really affect you? How about the whole conservative libertarian thing. You know, lets keep big government out of our lives, out of our bedrooms.
dan | 03.15.07 06:23 PM
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Obama has a lot of questins to answer.
Today we read that he is definitely not a Muslim
and never was.....(this do't work for me)
If his father was a Muslim when he was born, his
mother had no say in what religiion he was.
If he attended a school in Indonesia - chances a are he was a muslim.
Oh heck, we know exactly what he was...
As for his interacting with 'KNOWN" CRIMINALS, DO
we just take for granted that he did nothing
wrong -(especially when they buy land and Real Estate togehter....
Oh please - OBama - clean up your act!
terry | 03.15.07 06:55 PM
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Well, Senator, it would have been helpful if you'd given that answer yesterday before you jumped into your getaway car.
We need less hem kissing and more critical thinking about the Senator from Illinois.
corinne | 03.15.07 08:16 PM
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Obama made a great point in his book when he said that the right-wing extremists are using an obscure passage in Romans to justify their hatred of people different than they are, while making that issue more important than following the teaching from the Sermon on the Mount.
Michael | 03.15.07 08:37 PM
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Barak is just like Hillary, they are both morally depraved, but that is because they have no moral or spiritual compass. Church for them is just a show for the media and the people. They are just like Jesus described the Pharisees, white-washed tombs, blind guides leading the blind and both fall in the ditch. They are as filthy rags. The outside looks clean but the inside is full of dead man's bones. There is no light in them. The eye of each of them is dark, therefore the whole body of each of them is dark. God have mercy on us if either of these two bafoons get into office. Pray for America to wake up!
Truth | 03.15.07 09:55 PM
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Actually, Jesus did address homosexuality. He condemned adultery (sexual relations outside marriage). (Matthew 5:27-28, 15:19-20, 19:18; Mark 7:21, 10:19; Luke 16:18, 18:20) He forgave the woman caught in adultery, but told her to "go and sin no more," refusing to tolerate her sin after extending forgiveness. (John 8:11) He also extolled marriage as between a man and a woman. (Mark 10:6-8) It's true, Jesus never explicitly spoke about the word "homosexuality." But given that He discusses marriage, and that He condemns adultery, it logically follows that He did condemn homosexuality indirectly; or, at least, it's not absurd to conclude that He did.
Observer | 03.15.07 10:54 PM
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God, Guns and Gays. It's an American obsession. The US is so last century.
JD | 03.15.07 10:54 PM
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Well, well! Both Hillary and Obama are showing what hypocrites they are. Both profess to be Christians, but they feel they know better than God when it comes to whether homosexuality is immoral! Is that egotistical or what?
Casey | 03.15.07 10:57 PM
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Enough already about gay's being immoral! Or how gay marriage is evil! And just the blantant HATE coming from the Right toward gays. Gays are not plotting the end of the world, GOP'ers! These righties throw the Bible in our faces each time when they spew this trash, and the last I knew the Bible does not give free passes to people for judgement of fellow man. There is nothing Christian about todays American Christians. All these so called GOP Christians do not have the smarts to solve any major problems in this country, just look at the last 7 years, so they all turn to the only thing they how to do..... judge and hate.
Zach | 03.15.07 11:21 PM
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Any politicain that stands up and tells the public how he feels on sensitive issues, has my approval. Good job Sen. Barack Obama.
For all those who are citing the bible to support the immoral aspect, I wonder what u are all about. The other day I was watching 'Catch A Predator' and they mentioned some of those who were caught....1)director of a church, 2)a minster, and 3) a Rabbi....God does work in mysterious way
TMT | 03.16.07 01:09 AM
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Well folks...the straw man argument applies here. We're debating the morality of homosexuality and meanwhile, we are NOT addressing the fact that neither Hillary nor Obama have the necessary foreign policy experience to prepare them for the presidency. Whether you agree or disagree with a gay lifestyle, the bottom line is that the U.S. will not be undone by homosexuality. The same cannot be said for global terrorism and the combo platter of extremists who want to kill all of us. Let's deal with first things first friends.
Leigh | 03.16.07 01:40 AM
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Character matters because it influences the decisions of decision makers.
On another matter, I wonder why so many whine when they hear someone else declare something immoral. Actually, I don't wonder - If there is no morality, then they can do as they wish without consequence and that's what they want - to live their life by their own standards of right and wrong. God in his beneficience grants us that choice...his way or our way.
Adam | 03.16.07 04:53 PM
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I think Obama has a definite advantage on the hot-button cultural issues (gays/abortion) vis-a-vis the other candidates.
Unlike Catholic candidates like John Kerry (or Rudy Giuliani for that matter) whose social positions are at odds with the pronouncements of their professed faith, there is absolutely no conflict between liberal social positions and the teachings of the black church to which Obama belongs.
We won't see Obama weave and separate "personal beliefs" from public morality. On the contrary, Obama pronounces his belief in liberal social positions because they are part and parcel to his religious belief system.
seank | 03.16.07 07:49 PM
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Do you want a person who is legalistic or religious or would you perfer a person who spends time with his/her saviour everyday knows the word and cares for America because God does?
religion is just a show
Relationship is important
Sammo Veritas | 12.15.07 04:20 PM
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Mr Obama,it is shameful to assert that homosexual practice is okay.I know of An african boy whose behind is swollen due to sodomy.it is an addiction like drugs.he lives in pain but finds it hard to stop.
it is better you get votes the right way than mislead people.you cannot drive contrary to a one way traffic rule.That behind has a biological role that i will not mention because we all know it.Homosexuality will kill civilisation.
Manuel Nkera | 01.11.08 12:50 PM
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James 1:5; If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Leviticus 18:22; Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
If there is something you want to know, read your BIBLE. (Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)Proverbs 3:6; In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and he shall direct thy paths.
We are all going to Hell in a hand basket if we don't heed to Jesus' teaching, no matter who is elected as President.
Proverbs 1:7; The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
We need God Now more than Ever before. Put your trust in Jesus. Hold on to what you know, things that were once considered immoral according to the teaching of Jesus, are still immoral today. End of discussion.
ZWatkins | 01.28.08 11:53 AM
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James 1:5; If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Leviticus 18:22; Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
If there is something you want to know, read your BIBLE. (Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)Proverbs 3:6; In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and he shall direct thy paths.
We are all going to Hell in a hand basket if we don't heed to Jesus' teaching, no matter who is elected as President.
Proverbs 1:7; The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
We need God Now more than Ever before. Put your trust in Jesus. Hold on to what you know, things that were once considered immoral according to the teaching of Jesus, are still immoral today. End of discussion.
ZWatkins | 01.28.08 12:14 PM
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Each of us have issues that are "more" important to us. It's called conviction...passion...and ultimately is determined by what we place our trust in. Hope is great but the object of your hope is the real issue. As for the questions about homosexuality. Actually the Bible and the words of Jesus do address the issue. They also address the issue of the homosexual. Christ does hate homosexuality but he loves homosexuals. He loves all mankind. In fact, John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosover believes in him shall not perish but instead have eternal life." Sure there are many issues at hand during the days in which we live. Foreign policy, monetary policy, trade issues and the list goes on and on. For those of us that recognize the truth that God created us and that he loves us and wants a personal relationship with each of us, an essential issue is what the bible says is moral. We recognize that the creator of the universe says that certain acts corrupt the world in which we live and ultimately these things pollute our individual lives. He wants better than that for us. You guys are right, religion has made many mistakes. That is one of the things humans do. But one of the big mistakes that religion makes is the act of passing off judgement on people. The people are fine but what God hates is the acts they perform that hurts the people he loves. All of us from the inside have to answer the questions for ourself. Deep down we can all recognize design and what is right. Yet it is up to each of us to decide what is profitable for us. Ultimately it isn't about any of these issues. At some point, death will find all of us...and then the only thing that matters will be tested. What did you do with Jesus. He loves each of us and without accepting a relationship with him, we send ourselves to an eternal hell. That may be difficult for many people to understand but without that understanding, eternity is hopeless. If you aren't sure, at least take the time to consider what I've said. Why not...You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. As for the presidential election. I have my wishes but since my hope isn't in man...I know "I" wil be fine regardless.
Will | 03.05.08 10:04 PM
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Each of us have issues that are "more" important to us. It's called conviction...passion...and ultimately is determined by what we place our trust in. Hope is great but the object of your hope is the real issue. As for the questions about homosexuality. Actually the Bible and the words of Jesus do address the issue. They also address the issue of the homosexual. Christ does hate homosexuality but he loves homosexuals. He loves all mankind. In fact, John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosover believes in him shall not perish but instead have eternal life." Sure there are many issues at hand during the days in which we live. Foreign policy, monetary policy, trade issues and the list goes on and on. For those of us that recognize the truth that God created us and that he loves us and wants a personal relationship with each of us, an essential issue is what the bible says is moral. We recognize that the creator of the universe says that certain acts corrupt the world in which we live and ultimately these things pollute our individual lives. He wants better than that for us. You guys are right, religion has made many mistakes. That is one of the things humans do. But one of the big mistakes that religion makes is the act of passing off judgement on people. The people are fine but what God hates is the acts they perform that hurts the people he loves. All of us from the inside have to answer the questions for ourself. Deep down we can all recognize design and what is right. Yet it is up to each of us to decide what is profitable for us. Ultimately it isn't about any of these issues. At some point, death will find all of us...and then the only thing that matters will be tested. What did you do with Jesus. He loves each of us and without accepting a relationship with him, we send ourselves to an eternal hell. That may be difficult for many people to understand but without that understanding, eternity is hopeless. If you aren't sure, at least take the time to consider what I've said. Why not...You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. As for the presidential election. I have my wishes but since my hope isn't in man...I know "I" wil be fine regardless.
Will | 03.05.08 10:05 PM
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Leviticus 18:22; Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. hmmmm... does anyone ever wonder why this verse does not say anything about women laying with women the way she lay with a man??? and why in the next verse it specifically says a woman shall not lie with an animal and a man shall not lie with an animal....so why isn't there a reference to women laying with women. When i first read this verse i thought i found what i was looking for about homosexuality...but something just did not feel right. It would of made more since to say a man shall not lay with a man PERIOD. after learning about the culture at that time i've come to assess that i think this line is saying that a man shall not lay with a man the way he lay with a woman because that would be a dishonour since man was made in the image of god. Women did not have much say in those times and men usually did what they wanted with them, so if a man did lay with a man the way he lay with a woman it seems to me that would mean he is dominating another man and i believe that is the act that is an abomination. What is described as homosexuality in the bible seems like a bunch of HETEROSEXUAL men raping other men. During war victorious men would use sodomy as a way of showing his opponent is weak. There is ABSOLUTELY NO reference to homosexuals who are in love....except that I believe alot of readers seem to avoid the interesting relationship between David and Johnathan...but that isn't suprising.
think critically | 04.02.08 07:54 PM
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Leviticus 18:22; Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. hmmmm... does anyone ever wonder why this verse does not say anything about women laying with women the way she lay with a man??? and why in the next verse it specifically says a woman shall not lie with an animal and a man shall not lie with an animal....so why isn't there a reference to women laying with women. When i first read this verse i thought i found what i was looking for about homosexuality...but something just did not feel right. It would of made more since to say a man shall not lay with a man PERIOD. after learning about the culture at that time i've come to assess that i think this line is saying that a man shall not lay with a man the way he lay with a woman because that would be a dishonour since man was made in the image of god. Women did not have much say in those times and men usually did what they wanted with them, so if a man did lay with a man the way he lay with a woman it seems to me that would mean he is dominating another man and i believe that is the act that is an abomination. What is described as homosexuality in the bible seems like a bunch of HETEROSEXUAL men raping other men. During war victorious men would use sodomy as a way of showing his opponent is weak. There is ABSOLUTELY NO reference to homosexuals who are in love....except that I believe alot of readers seem to avoid the interesting relationship between David and Johnathan...but that isn't suprising.
think critically | 04.02.08 07:54 PM
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Leviticus 18:22; Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. hmmmm... does anyone ever wonder why this verse does not say anything about women laying with women the way she lay with a man??? and why in the next verse it specifically says a woman shall not lie with an animal and a man shall not lie with an animal....so why isn't there a reference to women laying with women. When i first read this verse i thought i found what i was looking for about homosexuality...but something just did not feel right. It would of made more since to say a man shall not lay with a man PERIOD. after learning about the culture at that time i've come to assess that i think this line is saying that a man shall not lay with a man the way he lay with a woman because that would be a dishonour since man was made in the image of god. Women did not have much say in those times and men usually did what they wanted with them, so if a man did lay with a man the way he lay with a woman it seems to me that would mean he is dominating another man and i believe that is the act that is an abomination. What is described as homosexuality in the bible seems like a bunch of HETEROSEXUAL men raping other men. During war victorious men would use sodomy as a way of showing his opponent is weak. There is ABSOLUTELY NO reference to homosexuals who are in love....except that I believe alot of readers seem to avoid the interesting relationship between David and Johnathan...but that isn't suprising.
think critically | 04.02.08 07:55 PM
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The Holy Bible states that all who take part in those sexual perverted sins will die in a lake of fire.....READ IT, It's REAL. You WILL find out, maybe sooner than you think!!!!!!!
DBB | 04.21.08 10:41 PM
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The Holy Bible states that all who take part in those sexual perverted sins will die in a lake of fire.....READ IT, It's REAL. You WILL find out, maybe sooner than you think!!!!!!!
DBB | 04.21.08 10:42 PM
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The Holy Bible states that all who take part in those sexual perverted sins will die in a lake of fire.....READ IT, It's REAL. You WILL find out, maybe sooner than you think!!!!!!!
DBB | 04.21.08 10:42 PM
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So i guess its all a matter of what a sexual perversion is identified as....and that goes for heteros and homos.
think critically | 05.17.08 02:43 PM
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So i guess its all a matter of what a sexual perversion is identified as....and that goes for heteros and homos.
think critically | 05.17.08 02:43 PM
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what exactly is a sexual perversion??? hmmm and i believe that could go for homos and heteros.
think critically | 05.17.08 02:44 PM
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Sodom (root word of sodomy)and Gomorrah were destroyed and the scriptures describe the acts that were taking place resulting in their destruction. How can anyone deny that unless they are blinding themselves to things they don't want to see?
Mari | 05.23.08 02:10 PM
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Ezekial 16:48-50 this verse list all of the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah (pride, laziness, not caring for the needy, worshipping idols ....and i guess i am confused because it does not list homosexuality. And from what ive been reading its seems the bible has a completely different definition of homosexuals. I agree the homosexuals in the bible were rightly condemned, i mean to me it seems like all the acts consisted of rape, and worshipping idols. No act shows any acts that were consented by any adult. I feel like Sodomy does not mean homosexual for the fact that straight folks perform that act and what about lesbians...they do not...does that mean being a lesbian is okay? I think people who are "blind" enough to maybe understand the true message the bible is trying to send maybe blinding themselves to things they dont want to see or believe.
think critically | 06.17.08 09:19 PM
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Ezekial 16:48-50 this verse list all of the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah (pride, laziness, not caring for the needy, worshipping idols ....and i guess i am confused because it does not list homosexuality. And from what ive been reading its seems the bible has a completely different definition of homosexuals. I agree the homosexuals in the bible were rightly condemned, i mean to me it seems like all the acts consisted of rape, and worshipping idols. No act shows any acts that were consented by any adult. I feel like Sodomy does not mean homosexual for the fact that straight folks perform that act and what about lesbians...they do not...does that mean being a lesbian is okay? I think people who are "blind" enough to maybe understand the true message the bible is trying to send maybe blinding themselves to things they dont want to see or believe.
think critically | 06.17.08 09:19 PM
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I agree that the sins of Sodom were many, and that the worst, which immediately preceded its judgment, was attempted gang rape (which was homosexual in nature), not homosexuality per se. And "think critically" has an interesting view of Leviticus 18:22 (and, presumably, the same view of 20:13)... But those aren't the only scriptures in the Bible dealing with homosexuality. What about 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, 1 Timothy 1:8-10, Romans 1:26-27? What do you do with those?
To those who say "Jesus didn't mention homosexuality" ... True. He didn't have to; the Law was clear on this, and He came to fulfill the Law; He said little about many things the Law defined as sin, and we don't infer by that, that he condoned any of these. Homosexuality was also not a hot cultural issue in 1st-Century Judea & Samaria; taxes & divorce were much more hotly debated, so He was asked questions and responded to these.
In contrast, homosexuality was a hot issue in 1st-Century Greco-Roman culture, and in the churches that arose in that cultural context -- so Paul said plenty about it. Scripture speaks to its context, and God used various authors and books to speak into many cultures over thousands of years... is that so hard to understand? And which of these cultures is most like our own?
KB | 06.21.08 05:46 PM
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Thanks for the comment KB...I've been really trying to study and make sense of the bible the truth of the matter is that the bible is not basic, its very complex....if it were clear we would not be having these discussions. I believe that homosexuality as it used in the bible is not the same as what it is today. In that case in Corinthians 6:9-10,homosexuals according to how defined in the bible will not inherit the kingdom.Romans 1:26-27 we are not 100% sure what this line is talking about. I think there are many theories to what "men leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful..." We do not know if the natural use could mean gang rape against the woman, or the use of sex gods. I do not think all the other scriptures and interpretations are with out flaws.
Is there anywhere in the bible where it mentions anything about lesbians in particular? I do not think that there will ever be a time when we all just agree, but i really think there is a higher meaning in message within and beyond the bible. "Christianity is not about purity nor peity its about love for God and our neighbors working for justice,spreading compassion and mercy are natural outcomes of love. Love can drive out fear, fear of difference, the unknown fear of the the other. Religion should not bring out hate or fear.
think critically | 06.25.08 08:54 PM
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Homosexuality is immorality, plain and simple. God calls it an abomination in the Torah, Jesus explicitly states that marriage is between a man and a woman, Jesus says any sexual relationship outside of a man/woman marriage is sin, Apostle Paul explicitly decries it in Romans, and explicitly states in Corinthians and Ephesians that marriage is between a man and a woman.
So any Christian who says that they're OK with the sin of homosexuality, no matter how "understanding" they want to be or how "accepting of other lifestyles" they want to be, they're in direct opposition to God.
On another note, it's interesting to note that two universal truths are consistent with all of the five major religions including Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism: (1) love is tops, and (2) homosexuality is immoral. It's not just Christians. Even the Hindus (who wrote the Kama Sutra for goodness sake) condemn the clear unnatural immorality of homosexuality.
So back to the immorality-loving politicians. It's impossible to have more "love" than God. If God says it's sin, it is in fact sin, and your "acceptance" of it is your embracing of sin. So beware of Romans 1 where God condemns not only those who do the sin but have pleasure in those who engage in the sin.
And please stop mis-interpreting the Bible by saying we're "judging". God's word is the judge and if it says it's wrong, they're no place for accepting it and elevating immorality to a protected class. If that doesn't convince you, here's the scripture so *we* don't have to say it--God's word says it:
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Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
Finally, people really don't know what "love" is. Love isn't pacifying you en route to eternal damnation, and giving you a chance to teach our children about immorality as merely a choice on par with anything else. Then you'd have no way to point out the error of your ways and giving you an option out. Think of all the people Jesus ticked off when he expressed true love -- telling the truth.
eddie andrews rocks | 07.09.08 05:00 PM
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I don't know what you guys are saying, but I wold love to see Obama naked... He is very hot and sexy... I would love to have sex with him... I am serious.
Aztech_77 | 07.12.08 06:58 AM
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eddie andrew rocks,
I am not denying that that verse does not exist, I agree with it although i have seen some versions that do not include homosexuals in that phrase. I believe what was homosexuality in the bible is a sin. All the examples i've seen included men raping men there is no consent involved and this to me is the true sin. I do not see exact evidence of any loving same-sex relationships being condemn, there are not even examples of women with women to my knowledge. This interpretation to is why i belive that it is a lot harder for gay men than gay women. Acceptance and tolerance are all important themes in the bible, I do not agree with what you are saying about those who do accept it are in the wrong, everyone has different interpretations and some feel stronger about some things than others and maybe acceptance and tolerance is the only way we would be even close to world peace. I am not trying to convince anyone on what i believe all i can ask for is understanding, no matter how anyone else thinks or feel there is only one person that i will answer to....
think critically | 07.17.08 07:27 PM
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